tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1098361547792425611.post3584733272498153025..comments2023-11-14T20:22:36.929-08:00Comments on Knowledge Is Necessity: Whitaker, Torrey, and Dopamine Supersensitivity: The Conversation ContinuesJohn McManamyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11857174305041382349noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1098361547792425611.post-81422563813106095312012-07-29T07:44:28.265-07:002012-07-29T07:44:28.265-07:00Great point, Anonymous. And what you noted is not ...Great point, Anonymous. And what you noted is not an isolated incidence. His book is so full of misrepresentations like this that it calls into question everything he has written. This is unfortunate, as Whitaker turns out to be his own worst enemy. He makes a lot of valid (if unproven) points we all need to be talking about, but it is pretty clear that a propagandist suppressing relevant facts John McManamyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11857174305041382349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1098361547792425611.post-43217042555439184722012-07-29T07:24:40.999-07:002012-07-29T07:24:40.999-07:00I am still slogging through the end of Whitaker...I am still slogging through the end of Whitaker's book, very glad to have found these posts of yours to read along with it. I am increasingly disturbed by Whitaker's willingness to write misleadingly about the data, to the point where I now question whether the book was even written in good faith. Case in point, this passage from chapter 16: <br /><br />"...from 1894 to 1896 ... [Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1098361547792425611.post-21619617051444579112012-07-03T07:55:17.052-07:002012-07-03T07:55:17.052-07:00Your means of describing everything in this paragr...Your means of describing everything in this paragraph is in fact nice, <br />every one be able to simply be aware of it, Thanks a lot.<br /><i>Feel free to visit my blog</i> <b><a href="http://phlebotomytrainingtips.webs.com/" rel="nofollow">Training For Phlebotomy</a></b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1098361547792425611.post-45653796133458321682012-06-13T13:18:24.645-07:002012-06-13T13:18:24.645-07:00Hey, Willa. My understanding: We have D2 receptors...Hey, Willa. My understanding: We have D2 receptors in the frontal cortex. So when antipsychotics shut down psychosis in the lower brain regions they are also shutting down thinking and concentration in the cortical regions, plus messing with mid-brain-cortical circuits that involve motivation.<br /><br />SZ is primarily a thought disorder. my understanding re motivation is that our cortical areasJohn McManamyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11857174305041382349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1098361547792425611.post-1762042204269783372012-06-11T11:08:34.753-07:002012-06-11T11:08:34.753-07:00I think I'm starting to figure this thing out....I think I'm starting to figure this thing out. Are D2 receptors concentrated in the frontal cortex, btw?<br /><br />I think of dopamine as the motivator neurotransmitter, which is why antipsychotics relieve positive symptoms, but leave people with a mother load of negative symptoms.<br /><br />But I also think of schizophrenia primarily as a thought disorder. And what does thinking have to Willa Goodfellowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05816752444634576606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1098361547792425611.post-14984082231901085682012-06-08T14:54:39.436-07:002012-06-08T14:54:39.436-07:00Hi, Anonymous. I agree a hundred percent. Incompet...Hi, Anonymous. I agree a hundred percent. Incompetent docs who overmedicate patients is the biggest obstacle in most people's recovery. Sadly, what you describe is all too typical. I look forward to reviewing this issue in a future post.John McManamyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11857174305041382349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1098361547792425611.post-9786946690035680992012-06-08T14:50:29.087-07:002012-06-08T14:50:29.087-07:00Many thanks, Stanley. The abusive usage is a very ...Many thanks, Stanley. The abusive usage is a very big deal, which I have covered in earlier posts and on mcmanweb and which I will certainly revisit in relation to this conversation.John McManamyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11857174305041382349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1098361547792425611.post-33762699568850252702012-06-08T14:05:03.001-07:002012-06-08T14:05:03.001-07:00I know of a woman who has taken both Haldol and Se...I know of a woman who has taken both Haldol and Seroquel for well over 3 years. She takes BOTH together, each day. In addition to Lithium, Wellbutrin, and Klonopin. She still has bouts of manic symptoms.. though she takes enough of all meds to put down 2 raging elephants.<br /><br />When I did pharmacy precerts for a large health insurer.. a psych nurse called in one morning to have authorizedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1098361547792425611.post-88432418583075299622012-06-07T10:08:57.572-07:002012-06-07T10:08:57.572-07:00You rise the level of the scientific debate. I was...You rise the level of the scientific debate. I was a bit sad that Whitaker's reply to Torrey contained accusations of dishonesty. Mental illness treatment has so much complexity that it requires a open dialogue between all sides (disagreements or evidence of mistakes should not be sufficient for accusations of dishonesty).<br /><br />On the dopamine issue, Whitaker never denied that dopamine Stanley Holmesnoreply@blogger.com